| PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT OF PRIME MINISTER JOHN HOWARD INTERVIEW
WITH JEREMY CORDEAUX, RADIO 5DN, REGARDING LIVE EXPORT TRADE
- August 2003
CORDEAUX: I don't know if you saw 60 Minutes not last Sunday but
the Sunday before which dealt with the live animal export trade
in Australia. I can't think of anything it has run as hot as that
subject on this program, there's an awful lot of feeling about the
need to ban such a cruel, cruel trade. Did you in fact see it, or
did you get a report on it?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I saw parts of it, I was traveling at the
time and I only saw a summary of it and some extracts from it. And
I have had a report on it and your listeners may or not be aware
of a statement that was made by the Minister for Agriculture, he's
asked the quarantine inspection service, that's AQIS to investigate
the allegations and he's aware of that program on 60 Minutes. He
points out in his statement that the deaths have halved from 0.3
per cent of stock shipped in 1999 to 0.11 to date in 2003, but that
investigation is continuing. I found the images understandably distressing
as most viewers would have and if there are ways in addition to
what is now being done to prevent that kind of thing occurring in
the future, then I would want to see those measures introduced.
CORDEAUX: And I think that's what you want to talk about, Cathy,
is it?
CALLER: Yes, Jeremy and good morning Prime Minister. Look I want
to raise that issue. I saw the 60 Minutes program and to me they
were scenes from many evil torture chambers and apparently the scenes
they weren't allowed to see it because children would be watching
animals getting their tendons cut to disable them and then their
eyes were poked out with swords. I mean, that is absolutely frightful.
You have [inaudible] I'm sure expect [inaudible] RSPCA and he is
so adamant about this dreadful conditions once these poor animals
even get to these places, it's bad enough on board this ship but
when they get there it's just hell, and he wants you to ban the
trade.
PRIME MINISTER: Well that is a big thing. I understand the concern
but people should bear in mind, of course, that it's a very valuable
and important trade. It's worth about a billion dollars a year in
export earnings and employs about 9,000 people, particularly valuable
to farming in regional areas of Australia. So I deplore cruelty,
any ordinary human being would and does. But we have to keep these
things in perspective, we have to remember that you are talking
about a very valuable economic asset and surely the goal is to make
the trade as humane as possible isn't that the goal and that's the
best thing to do rather than ban it... but you ban it you create
a lot of disadvantage for many Australians who are already living
in fairly disadvantaged circumstances. But your point, Cathy, about
eliminating cruelty - I have to agree with that 100 per cent.
CORDEAUX: I mean, even the unions would rather that the animals
were slaughtered here and sent for processing.....
PRIME MINISTER: We have humane conditions of slaughter and I mean,
we have to be realistic about this, our methods of slaughter are
more humane now than they have been in the past, but we have to
understand the process that's involved in any abattoir and be realistic
about it.
CORDEAUX: Yeah, but at least have a look at it.
PRIME MINISTER: I certainly have the same reaction to cruelty of
animals appalls me and if there are ways that we can reduce that,
and I will discuss this matter with Mr Truss and it will be raised
in Cabinet amongst our under the line items which are those items
that are not on a fixed agenda for discussion next week.
CALLER: I'd like to raise two things very quickly if I could. First
of all, the live export trade. You are more or less justifying it
on the grounds that it brings in money.
PRIME MINISTER: Can I just say I'm not justifying cruelty, but
I'm defending the trade and I'm saying that it's not an answer to
get rid of the trade altogether. The answer is to try and make it
more humane.
CALLER: Well it's been shown very clearly that it can't be done
humanely. They've had 25 years to get their act together. Hugh Worth
has clearly stated that what they're doing, the decline, if you
or I did it to our dogs we would be jailed for it. So if you say
it should be justified on the grounds of income, you're saying that
provided I'm making plenty of money out of committing a crime, it's
okay. That's virtually what you're saying. They've admitted it themselves,
that their truck which is the newest, state-of-the-art, world-class
transporter, 41 per cent of the cattle on board of it died and the
[inaudible] that they were standing in was 31cm deep. That is the
best they can do. And it's commonsense in any case to transport
an animal humanely halfway across the world is going to cost almost
as much to transport a human being halfway across the world humanely.
And how much does that cost? A lot more than the value of their
carcass. That's obvious. It's very plain that this trade cannot
be conducted humanely, so if you condone it, you're condoning the
commission of a crime on the grounds that they make a billion dollars
a year. It's as simple as that John.
PRIME MINISTER: Well no I don't think it is as simple as that.
CALLER: I'm afraid it is.
PRIME MINISTER: I don't accept that you can't make it more humane.
I do accept that making it more humane is something that everybody
should endeavour to do, but it's just not as easy as you suggest
to dismiss the importance of an industry that provides a livelihood
to tens of thousands...
CALLER: [inaudible] provides a very good livelihood...
PRIME MINISTER: No but it provides a living. I mean I am asked
as Prime Minister every day to do things to help people who are
not doing as well as other Australians and therefore I don't likely
say I'm going to terminate an industry overnight that provides a
livelihood and provides sustenance and provides support for many
communities, particularly in country and regional Australia that
have been badly affected by other conditions beyond their control.
I think my obligation is to try and work to ensure that the concerns
that were raised by that program and properly arise out of practices
in the industry are addressed as much as we can.
CORDEAUX: Marianne, thanks for the call.
Comment - Because there is a large industry built around
the live export of animals, the Prime Minister seems to excuse any
cruelty involved as it's all for the benefit of the nation. From
this it could be surmised that John Howard PM would also have been
a supporter of the Slave Trade - there was a large industry built
around that too - many Australians must of been financially disadvantaged
when slavery was finally banned.
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